[R3 to R16] Oddity with LWM's HQUEST10 sprites

NeoHippo · Post by **NeoHippo** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 18:42

This may be related to KeksDose's thread http://forum.drdteam.org/viewtopic.php?t=3086 , but anyways

I played Hquest10 the other day with R16. The spiders in 1-1 were displayed within a black box. So, probably this is a transparency problem. Then I played it with 10.0.32 and it looked ok. Then I tried all the R versions with this result:

GZDoom R2 ok
GZDoom R4 invisible
GZDoom R5 invisible
GZDoom R6 invisible
GZDoom R8 invisible
GZDoom R9 invisible
GZDoom R10 invisible
GZDoom R11 invisible
GZDoom R12 invisible
GZDoom R13 invisible
GZDoom R14 invisible
GZDoom R16 black box

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 22:13

Any console output?

Post by **Enjay** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 23:21

Nothing meaningful that I can see, but I do get the problem.
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Log started: Mon Feb 11 21:50:07 2008

W_Init: Init WADfiles.
 adding f:/doom/gzdoomsvn/gzdoom.pk3
 adding F:/Doom/gzdoom/HERETIC.WAD (2633 lumps)
 adding f:/doom/gzdoomsvn/skins/bba.wad (68 lumps)
 adding f:/doom/gzdoomsvn/skins/Blud.wad (52 lumps)
 adding f:/doom/gzdoomsvn/skins/flashlight.wad (9 lumps)
 adding f:/doom/gzdoomsvn/skins/flashlightres.wad (4 lumps)
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 adding f:/doom/gzdoomsvn/skins/Xhairs.wad (33 lumps)
 adding f:/doom/gzdoomsvn/lights.wad (4 lumps)
 adding F:/Documents and Settings/Nigel_Rowand/Desktop/hquest10.wad (1380 lumps)
I_Init: Setting up machine state.
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  Setting DirectSound output succeeded
  Setting driver 0 succeeded
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ST_Init: Init startup screen.
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TEAMINFO_Init: Load team definitions.
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R_Init: Init Heretic refresh subsystem.
DecalLibrary: Load decals.
M_Init: Init miscellaneous info.
P_Init: Init Playloop state.
D_CheckNetGame: Checking network game status.
player 1 of 1 (1 nodes)
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Support for non power 2 textures enabled.
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The only setting I found that made a difference was "smooth sprite edges" Switching that on made the spider sprites disappear completely (other sprites that had already been showing correctly did not disappear).

As far as I can tell, the sprites are in Doom-format. I was expecting something odd, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Most graphics seem fine, just these SPDRXXXX sprites. (edit forget that - see screenshot)

There doesn't seem to be anything odd in the decorate either.

In fact, I extracted the DECORATE and sprites without changing them at all, put them in their own WAD and loaded that. Summoning the spiders allowed them to appear without a black box.

In fact, going to the level concerned and typing "summon spider" brought a spider into the map that did not have a black box despite the fact that it was surrounded by black box spiders that the game had spawned.

Anyway, it's not just the spiders

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:57

I hate, Hate, HATE, **HATE** HATE!!!! Randy's stupid RenderStyle 'Enhancement'.

This retarded 'improvement' has caused so many problems it's almost unbelievable.

Post by **Enjay** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:15

If you get to the bottom of this particular problem, would you mind letting us know why it happened here and not with the same actors in slightly different circumstances? I spent over 2 hours last night moving lumps around and changing bits of scripts to try and find out why it happened and what particular set of circumstances caused it and eventually I just started going cross-eyed and went to bed instead.

Cutmanmike · Post by **Cutmanmike** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:05

I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here and assume that this renderstyle thing is also causing my fog bug

If this was a business, Randy would get the sack

(unless it was microsoft)

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 15:41

Yes, the fog bug is also caused by that.

As for this one, the immediate cause is simple: The alpha test is not set properly. The related code had to undergo extensive changes due to the renderstyle stuff and apparently some cases leave the setting in an undefined state..

Post by **Enjay** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:25

I'm going to assume that this is the same bug and just post it here as another example. I was touring the levels in "Sabbat Martyr DeathMatch" which is actually a skulltag level set but I edited it to run in GZdoom. Anyway, I noticed that the particles all had black squares around them. This is (obviously) MAP01 of Doom2 with SMDM.WAD loaded.

Probably not worth the DL just for this, but it's here:

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?id=14856

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:31

One request: If you have problems with any WAD please post a link. Now I can track this down which always costs needless time, especially for stuff that is not that easy to find.

(This goes to the original poster, not Enjay, of course.)

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:20

The Sabbat Martyr issue is definitely a WAD bug. The file contains a broken replacement graphic for the smooth particle that doesn't have any alpha information. The makers should have been more careful.

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:00

If someone wants this tp get fixed, please make a savegame with r16. I simply don't have the time to play for a considerable amount of time to get the bug to occur. I played for 30 minutes without seeing it.

Post by **Enjay** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 14:25

Strange. I can always get the effect within seconds - right from the first time I see a spider it is already surrounded by a black box. Anyway, in the zip are 2 saves and a demo.

In the demo, I go into the fight area, stop briefly to look at a spider (with a black box) that is right beside (possibly stuck in) a wall. Then I move on to a second spider. Whilst I am saving, it kills me (because demo recording doesn't stop when the menu is up). So, I also made a second save from a fresh game.

I'll upload the version of Hquest I was using. It's called Hquest10 but just in case there are any differences...

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Here

http://rapidshare.com/files/91771706/hquest.zip.html

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Post by **Enjay** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 14:51

Seeing as how you haven't specifically had a chance to address this yet, I'm sure it won't come as a surprise to learn that the problem still exists in my own build of r17.

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 15:36

fixed.

And this was a very, very stupid bug - just because I wanted to save one parameter in a function...