Concept weapons

DoomRater · Post by **DoomRater** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 21:24

I was kinda wondering if I should make a journal about weapon concepts that I theorized to be possible but didn't have the time to acutally build them, or if I should just plop them in Modding Help and Resources. After all, an idea is a resource!

Anyway, while in the shower I surmized how to pull off the Hexen Fist attack properly. That is, when you connect with a monster three times it actually does double damage and stuff. The key lies in using the DECORATE Codepointers A_GivePlayerInventory and A_TakePlayerInventory, where a monster could take and give items, I believe it was? (correct me if this isn't available or if I got some of the codes wrong)

Anyway, a puff has one of three states it can go to- one if it doesn't hit anything, one where it hits a wall, and one where it hits an actor. We want the one that hit an actor to add a counter to the player's inventory, and the ones that don't to clear this counter. In the weapon code, the fist should be checking to see if it has 3 in the counter just after it hits and if so, jump to the alternate swinging frameset (and attacking a second time for the double damage?)

While thinking about it, this would work okay, but checking with an invisible puff before the attack to make sure it would land would be even more like the original behavior, because then one could just have one attack for the mighty blow. But I kinda like the two blows so that it has more stun chance.

See, the reason I'd think it's worth a journal is because ideas like this occasionally come into my head, even though they wouldn't always be worth it for me to execute. So what are your guys' thoughts?

TheDarkArchon · Post by **TheDarkArchon** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 22:27

There's a flaw in that: There is no properway to tell if a blow has hit nothing but air since the puff isn't spawned when nothing is hit.

DoomRater · Post by **DoomRater** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:26

Sure it does.

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    activesound is played. Additionally, if ALWAYSPUFF flag is set, Crash state sequence is entered.

EDIT: While there apparently will be no way for the puff to tell the difference bewteen hitting nothing but air and hitting wall without using two different puffs, it's still enough.

Zeg-Vok · Post by **Zeg-Vok** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:29

Wow, when was this stuff added?

DoomRater · Post by **DoomRater** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:37

I forget exactly, but it should be available in GZDoom right now. I really hope so... it's the first time I'd be able to make a weapon that actually does something different based on whether it hit its target or not!

Zeg-Vok · Post by **Zeg-Vok** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 17:25

If you give the player a TID, you could "Punish" them every time they miss

DoomRater · Post by **DoomRater** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 18:45

I don't see why the player needs a TID for this to work. In fact, I don't see why anything needs a TID for it to work.

Zeg-Vok · Post by **Zeg-Vok** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 19:35

Without a TID, how would you hurt the player without using crushing floors, or something like that . . . TID's are absolute!

DoomRater · Post by **DoomRater** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 20:52

But the TakePlayerInventory() should be able to take health as well. (I'm hoping it can even when invulnerability is on, because then I can re-implement a certain altfire for a level 5 weapon)

Zeg-Vok · Post by **Zeg-Vok** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 0:59

Well, another way you can "Punish" the player is to have the missed bulletpuff spawn a monster, or shoot a tracer missile at the player, possibly with noclip. Or it could even simply to a quick A_Fire attack on the player

I know Thing_Hurt for example doesnt effect the player when they are in god mode

Phobus · Post by **Phobus** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:19

Use DamageThing, that kills the player even in god mode (1000 damage being dealt, I think)

DoomRater · Post by **DoomRater** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 16:54

Well, that sounds like the 1000 damage bug and I just want to take some health away from the player. I'll begin experiments shortly.

TheDarkArchon · Post by **TheDarkArchon** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 19:41

Doesn't DamageThing have a parameter, anyway?

Phobus · Post by **Phobus** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 20:41

Yeah it does, but I was just saying that I used 1000 (I think) on the player in the instance I used

DoomRater · Post by **DoomRater** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 15:41

Gah, I haven't tested any concepts at all yet. Not to be the posterboy of Enjay's rants about wanting stuff I won't even use, but I'd better get to work or this info will be for naught!