HOWTO: Access Mac Wolf3D CDs and Disk Images on Windows

[filipetolhuizen]

The game crashes before I reach the menu. I have the crash report attached here.

Reproduced. Curious it doesn't happen on Linux though since it's not happening in the platform specific code.

Have you got a clue on what is causing it?

[Blzut3]

Haven't had a chance to really look into it yet.

[TheCrimsonEscapade]

I have the MacPlay version and it has 2 install discs plus an extras disc. I have a screenshot with most of the contents of each here: https://i.imgur.com/njaCLgH.png
The Desktop folder in both .dsk images are empty.

[Blzut3]

I'm going to guess you're out of luck as far as getting the game off the floppy images without a Mac/emulation. The extras thing I believe was added in by the person distributing the images.

[TheCrimsonEscapade]

I'm going to guess you're out of luck as far as getting the game off the floppy images without a Mac/emulation. The extras thing I believe was added in by the person distributing the images.

That's kind of what I figured when the only thing in the images was the installer.
Also, I was looking into the Mac version and it mentions that "The Third Encounter" includes the 30 levels from the SNES version, plus the 60 levels from the PC version. Does that mean it has levels that the PC version does not have? Or are they simply reskins to remove offensive material (I believe the SNES version was censored)

[Blzut3]

Also, I was looking into the Mac version and it mentions that "The Third Encounter" includes the 30 levels from the SNES version, plus the 60 levels from the PC version. Does that mean it has levels that the PC version does not have? Or are they simply reskins to remove offensive material (I believe the SNES version was censored)

The "Second Encounter" (the 30 levels from the console versions of Wolf3D) are technically based on the PC levels. They're pretty chopped up in order to keep rooms small and otherwise optimize for the BSP renderer (which generally favors open spaces with few distinct walls) that the SNES/Jaguar/3DO/Mac version use. Here's the equivalence table:

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SNES|  PC  | Notes
----|------|
1-1 | 1-1  |
1-2 | 1-7  | Almost unrecognizable, west side of map mostly matches
1-3 | 1-9  |
2-1 | 3-1  |
2-2 | 3-3  |
2-3 | 3-4  |
2-4 | 4-9  |
3-1 | 2-1  | Secret: 3-5
3-2 | 2-3  |
3-3 | 2-4  |
3-4 | 2-9  |
3-5 | 3-6  | Exit: 3-2
4-1 | 4-1  |
4-2 | 4-2  |
4-3 | 4-4  |
4-4 | 4-8  |
4-5 | 5-9  |
5-1 | 5-1  |
5-2 | 5-2  |
5-3 | 5-4  |
5-4 | 5-5  |
5-5 | 5-6  |
5-6 | 6-9  |
6-1 | 6-1  |
6-2 | 6-5  |
6-3 | 6-4  | Secret: 6-7 (Secret exit not in PC)
6-4 | 6-7  |
6-5 | 6-8  | Top half of map mostly cut
6-6 | 3-9  |
6-7 | 6-10 | Compare start and west area, otherwise built on rooms instead of tunnels. Exit: 6-4

Combined with not having directional sprites (thus no pathing guards) and the new weapons, these levels play very differently even if you can recognize some of the areas. (Also, do note that even where I didn't write notes, some secrets are added/removed on many of the maps.)

The "Third Encounter" comes with 6 missions 10 levels each which match 1:1 with the PC version of the game. The difference is limited texture selection, the lack of guard pathing, and they inserted the new weapons into the game. Engine improvements over the "Second Encounter" include a dead guard object (for the first level) and the Pacman ghosts.

The "First Encounter" is just the first three levels of the "Second Encounter".

As for censorship in the SNES version, it was just graphic swaps: nazi references, most of the blood, and for some reason the dogs were replaced with giant rats. I'm not aware of anything changing in the levels going from the SNES version to the Jaguar/3DO/Mac. The console versions all have distinct tweaks to the game play with the Mac version being more or less the same as the 3DO version.

[Nokiaman]

So are there any MD5 checksums to check if the files I'm using are fine? I got all of them, but I'm not sure if I did it right.
wolfdemo.bin

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D5D3795E06932094E1935538E0FF9C01

wolflvls.bin

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306E7E3EB5E086C8DEA03AD4706FDDA9

wolf3d.bin

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08DC5F37CD763C138C4B7BCF7C707543

[Blzut3]

Those md5sums don't match mine, but that doesn't mean you did anything wrong. Our files could differ by only the 128 byte header (part of that 128 byte header includes the original filename, and said filename can be padded with garbage depending on the tool used to create it). I believe the header stripped md5sums are:

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ea5fefa567acb5837a19934e7510fc17 wolfdemo.bin
dc7e3194e21326ee3181a5d1f7308a50 wolflvls.bin
2e30adb9cd26ab1fcfa07eec52fd4b88 wolf3d.bin

File sizes including the 128 byte header are:

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1629312 wolfdemo.bin
270464  wolflvls.bin
2530688 wolf3d.bin

[Nokiaman]

Oh I guess that makes sense. I thought I ripped them wrong cause all of them crash after splash screen. I used some tool to get them off Basilisk

[Blzut3]

I believe that's a known issue on Windows at the moment (see top of the page/bottom of page 1). I'll be getting back to work on ECWolf and other projects soon, but do keep in mind that Mac Wolf support is definitely experimental at this point.

My files were macbin'd by Mac OS X. I just put the id Anthology disc in and then ran the included macbinary program.

[Nokiaman]

Ah I missed that. Oh well 3DO version will suffice for now
Good luck making this work. I can't wait!
Oh yeah it was HFVExplorer.

[AstroCreep]

Found a weird bug with the mac version. The third encounter levels and all of the mods I tested seem to work (more or less), with the exception of the original 2nd encounter levels. I've tried re-encoding the file with macbinary many times. Not sure if it's an issue with my version or what, but I'm gonna try manually ripping the levels in WolfEdit tomorrow, see if copy and pasting into a new mod in the editor works.

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Code: C0000005 (Access Violation - tried to read address 0268F000)
Address: 004BA497
Flags: 00000000

Windows NT 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1

GS=002b FS=0053 ES=002b DS=002b
EAX=0268effd EBX=00007fff ECX=00001000 EDX=00000080
ESI=01edd310 EDI=00000000
EBP=0000001a EIP=004ba497 ESP=0018fdc4 CS=0023 SS=002b
EFlags=00210293
CF+ PF- AF+ ZF- SF+ TF- IF+ DF- OF- NT- RF+ VM- AC- VI- VP-

FPU State:
ControlWord=027f StatusWord=4022 TagWord=ffff
ErrorOffset=00000687
ErrorSelector=ffff0000
DataOffset=00300000
DataSelector=00000000

MM0=0000000000000000
MM1=0000000000000000
MM2=b504f333f9de6000
MM3=f15beeeff7d32800
MM4=0000002b0783f760
MM5=01edd31000000000
MM6=0000001a0268effd
MM7=0000002b0018fdc4

Running threads:
00000448 at 004BA497*
00000c90

Loaded modules:
00400000 - 00669FFF *ecwolf.exe
773B0000 - 7752FFFF ntdll.dll
76C40000 - 76D4FFFF kernel32.dll
763B0000 - 763F6FFF KERNELBASE.dll
753E0000 - 754DFFFF USER32.dll
76930000 - 769BFFFF GDI32.dll
769E0000 - 769E9FFF LPK.dll
76F10000 - 76FACFFF USP10.dll
769F0000 - 76A9BFFF msvcrt.dll
75340000 - 753DFFFF ADVAPI32.dll
76860000 - 76878FFF sechost.dll
754E0000 - 755CFFFF RPCRT4.dll
74D40000 - 74D9FFFF SspiCli.dll
74D30000 - 74D3BFFF CRYPTBASE.dll
755F0000 - 7623AFFF SHELL32.dll
76690000 - 766E6FFF SHLWAPI.dll
76240000 - 7639BFFF ole32.dll
76400000 - 7647AFFF COMDLG32.dll
729C0000 - 72A43FFF COMCTL32.dll
68100000 - 68158FFF SDL.dll
73060000 - 73091FFF WINMM.DLL
75120000 - 7517FFFF IMM32.DLL
76700000 - 767CBFFF MSCTF.dll
6B360000 - 6B3D5FFF riched20.dll
76EB0000 - 76EBAFFF profapi.dll
73200000 - 7327FFFF uxtheme.dll
72BD0000 - 72BE2FFF dwmapi.dll
73280000 - 7341DFFF comctl32.DLL
6FFB0000 - 70021FFF DSOUND.DLL
73BB0000 - 73BD4FFF POWRPROF.dll
76AA0000 - 76C3CFFF SETUPAPI.dll
76480000 - 764A6FFF CFGMGR32.dll
752B0000 - 7533EFFF OLEAUT32.dll
769C0000 - 769D1FFF DEVOBJ.dll
6E810000 - 6E834FFF DINPUT.DLL
71920000 - 71928FFF HID.DLL
74DE0000 - 74E0EFFF WINTRUST.dll
75180000 - 752A0FFF CRYPT32.dll
763A0000 - 763ABFFF MSASN1.dll

Bytes near EIP:
004BA487: 8a 48 01 81 f9 ff ff 00 00 74 3c 66 0f b6 50 02
004BA497: 0f b6 68 03 66 c1 e2 07 0f b7 d2 d1 ed d1 f9 0b
004BA4A7: d5 3b cf 7d 02 8b f9 3b d3 7e 02 8b da 83 c0 06

Possible call trace:
004ba497 BOOM
00595B33 jmp 00442120 => jmp 0045BCE0
004BA9D7 call 004BA3C0
00595C23 jmp 004B5140
004BAB03 call 004BA980
00595c8b
004b4ff7
00595633 jmp 00441F20
004B7E2C call 004B4F80
00545349
004B82C8 call 004B7CF0
005958eb
00452EE2 call 004B8240
00453994 call 00452E40
00591b09
00560537 call 00453780
005601b0
00560593
00560593

Stack Contents:
0018FDC4: 29acfaf2 00000000 01edd310 0000017d ···)········}···
0018FDD4: 00000008 026899d8 0000001d 026899d4 ······h·······h·
0018FDE4: 026899d4 0018fe08 00595b38 00000000 ··h·····8[Y·····
0018FDF4: 004ba9dc 00181e00 29acf93a 0018fe58 ··K·····:··)X···
0018FE04: 01edd310 0018fe2c 00595c28 00000000 ····,···(\Y·····
0018FE14: 004bab08 0000017d 0018fe58 29acf91e ··K·}···X······)
0018FE24: 00000060 01edd310 0018fe74 00595c8b `·······t····\Y·
0018FE34: 00000000 004b4ff9 0018fe58 0000017d ·····OK·X···}···
0018FE44: 29acf972 0000017d 0065d1b8 00000003 r··)}·····e·····
0018FE54: 0000019c 0059e384 005e5018 00000130 ······Y··P^·0···
0018FE64: 000001de 000001e0 0018fe00 00000000 ················
0018FE74: 0018fed8 00595638 00000000 004b7e31 ····8VY·····1~K·
0018FE84: 0000017d 00000008 00000003 0065d1b8 }·············e·
0018FE94: 0018ff38 00000004 00000122 ffffffff 8·······"·······
0018FEA4: 00000121 4c50414d 00545349 0018fe00 !···MAPLIST·····
0018FEB4: 29acf9a6 004b82cd 00000003 29acf9fe ···)··K········)
0018FEC4: 00000001 00000002 00000000 00000000 ················
0018FED4: 00000000 0018ff2c 005958eb ffffffff ····,····XY·····
0018FEE4: 00452ee7 00453999 29acf802 00001db1 ·.E··9E····)····
0018FEF4: 00000002 76c514b9 01e96c58 00000010 ·······vXl······
0018FF04: 00000002 00000000 00000000 00000000 ················
0018FF14: 0018ff78 01e9f964 01e9f964 002608cc x···d···d·····&·
0018FF24: 015578c6 0018feec 0018ff78 00591b09 ·xU·····x·····Y·
0018FF34: 00000001 0018ff88 0056053c 00000003 ········<·V·····
0018FF44: 02021ae0 02021b80 29acf8b2 00000000 ···········)····
0018FF54: 00000000 7efde000 c0000005 00000001 ·······~········
0018FF64: 00000006 00000000 00000000 0018ff4c ············L···
0018FF74: 0018f99c 0018ffc4 005601b0 29e9b192 ··········V····)
0018FF84: 00000000 0018ff94 76c5336a 7efde000 ········j3·v···~
0018FF94: 0018ffd4 773e92b2 7efde000 6e284bdb ······>w···~·K(n
0018FFA4: 00000000 00000000 7efde000 c0000005 ···········~····
0018FFB4: 76c776c7 76c776c7 0018ffa0 0018f98c ·v·v·v·v········
0018FFC4: ffffffff 77421985 190d715f 00000000 ······Bw_q······
0018FFD4: 0018ffec 773e9285 00560593 7efde000 ······>w··V····~
0018FFE4: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ················
0018FFF4: 00560593 7efde000 00000000 ··V····~····

EDIT - I tried copying and pasting the levels in wolfedit and it still doesn't work. I can't explain this because every other mac scenario I've tested works (with the exception of that funky ass status bar and the different soundfont for the midi). I'm using the id Anthology disc and everything else works so I really don't know what the problem could be.

EDIT 2 - I tried another 30 level replacement (Laz's 2nd Encounter) and got a similar error. Seems to be the scenarios with lots of levels. Astrostein Munchkinstein and Hitler's Graveyard all loaded (complete with original sound errors - since we don't have access to resedit, certain mods will need tweaking in order to get them to work the way they were intended, unless you like your lasers sounding like machine guns that is), so resources don't seem to be an issue, just scenarios with lots of levels. Very interesting.

[filipetolhuizen]

I believe that's a known issue on Windows at the moment (see top of the page/bottom of page 1). I'll be getting back to work on ECWolf and other projects soon, but do keep in mind that Mac Wolf support is definitely experimental at this point.

My files were macbin'd by Mac OS X. I just put the id Anthology disc in and then ran the included macbinary program.

Still crashing for me under Windows before I can reach the menus with the latest build.

[Blzut3]

Did I ever post the required shim file? http://maniacsvault.net/ecwolf/files/macshim.pk3

[filipetolhuizen]

Thanks, but it's still not working.